Episode 50 Transcript

Xinqing: Hello，大家好，好久不见听众朋友们。
Xinqing: Hello, dà​jiā hǎo, hǎo​jiǔ​bu​jiàn tīng​zhòng péng​you men.
Xinqing: Hello, everyone, long time no see, listeners.

今天邀请到了一位在日内瓦的朋友KouKou: KouKou: Hello!
jīn​tiān yāo​qǐng dào le yí wèi zài Rì​nèi​wǎ de péng​you KouKou: KouKou: Hello!
Today I invited a friend in Geneva, KouKou: KouKou: Hello!

大家好。
dà​jiā hǎo.
Hello everyone.

Xinqing: 对Koukou: 你可以自我介绍一下吗？
Xinqing: duì Koukou: nǐ kě​yǐ zì​wǒ​jiè​shào yī​xià ma?
Xinqing: To Koukou: Can you introduce yourself?

KouKou: 我是来自中国新疆，然后我现在是在日内瓦，因为我在这里读了两年的硕士，然后目前是刚刚毕业。
KouKou: wǒ shì lái​zì Zhōng​guó Xīn​jiāng, rán​hòu wǒ xiàn​zài shì zài Rì​nèi​wǎ, yīn​wèi wǒ zài zhè​lǐ dú le liǎng nián de shuò​shì, rán​hòu mù​qián shì gāng​gang bì​yè.
KouKou: I am from Xinjiang, China, and I am now in Geneva because I studied for a master’s degree here for two years and have just graduated.

Xinqing: 年纪比较小，你今年几岁？
Xinqing: nián​jì bǐ​jiào xiǎo, nǐ jīn​nián jǐ​suì?
Xinqing: You are relatively young. How old are you this year?

KouKou: 其实我今年已经28了。
KouKou: qí​shí wǒ jīn​nián yǐ​jīng 28 le.
KouKou: Actually I am 28 this year.

Xinqing: 28我觉得对于对我来说已经感觉隔了一个年代了，他们说差三岁隔一代。
Xinqing: 28 wǒ jué​de duì​yú duì wǒ lái shuō yǐ​jīng gǎn​jué gé le yí gè nián​dài le, tā​men shuō chà sān suì gé yī​dài.
Xinqing: 28 I think it already feels like an era has passed to me. They say there is a generation difference of three years.

KouKou: 都是90后。
KouKou: dōu shì 90 hòu.
KouKou: They are all born in the 1990s.

Xinqing: 对90后在中国有这么个说法。
Xinqing: duì 90 hòu zài Zhōng​guó yǒu zhè​me gè shuō​fǎ.
Xinqing: There is this saying about the post-90s generation in China.

80后就是80年代以后出生的，就是1980年以后出生的。
80 hòu jiù​shì 80 nián​dài yǐ​hòu chū​shēng de, jiù​shì 1980 nián yǐ​hòu chū​shēng de.
The post-80s generation is those born after the 1980s, that is, those born after 1980.

我们是90后。
wǒ​men shì 90 hòu.
We are born in the 90s.

KouKou: 对。
KouKou: duì.
KouKou: Yes.

Xinqing: 对，我今天想跟Koukou: 一个话题，是关于90后我们这个年代的女生的花钱的观念，或者说消费观。
Xinqing: duì, wǒ jīn​tiān xiǎng gēn Koukou: yí gè huà​tí, shì guān​yú 90 hòu wǒ​men zhè​ge nián​dài de nǚ​shēng de huā​qián de guān​niàn, huò​zhě shuō xiāo​fèi guān.
Xinqing: Yes, I want to talk to Koukou today: A topic is about the concept of spending money, or consumption concept, of girls of our generation born in the 1990s.

因为最近我也正好读了一篇文章，就在说中国消费降级，什么叫消费降级？
yīn​wèi zuì​jìn wǒ yě zhèng​hǎo dú le yì piān wén​zhāng, jiù zài shuō Zhōng​guó xiāo​fèi jiàng​jí, shén​me jiào xiāo​fèi jiàng​jí?
Because I happened to read an article recently, which talked about the downgrading of consumption in China. What does consumption downgrade mean?

很多东西变得越来越便宜，可能在中国，但是同时我又发现我有身边好多的女生的朋友，还是会花很多的钱买奢侈品。
hěn duō dōng​xi biàn​de yuè​lái​yuè pián​yi, kě​néng zài Zhōng​guó, dàn​shì tóng​shí wǒ yòu fā​xiàn wǒ yǒu shēn​biān hǎo​duō de nǚ​shēng de péng​you, hái​shi huì huā hěn duō de qián mǎi shē​chǐ​pǐn.
Many things are becoming cheaper and cheaper, maybe in China, but at the same time I found that I have many female friends who still spend a lot of money on luxury goods.

奢侈品，就是像，我来举个例子，Koukou: 觉得什么是奢侈品？
shē​chǐ​pǐn, jiù​shì xiàng, wǒ lái jǔ gè lì​zi, Koukou: jué​de shén​me shì shē​chǐ​pǐn?
Luxury goods are like, let me give you an example, Koukou: What do you think is luxury goods?

KouKou: 奢侈品，我觉得它是跟你自己的经济水平是相关的一个消费的方式，比如说我知道的一些奢侈品，包包比如LV，Gucchi对我来说奢侈品了，但对可能其他经济水平更好的人，他们可能会是爱马仕。
KouKou: shē​chǐ​pǐn, wǒ jué​de tā shì gēn nǐ zì​jǐ de jīng​jì shuǐ​píng shì xiāng​guān de yí gè xiāo​fèi de fāng​shì, bǐ​rú shuō wǒ zhī​dào de yī​xiē shē​chǐ​pǐn, bāo​bāo bǐ​rú LV, Gucchi duì wǒ lái shuō shē​chǐ​pǐn le, dàn duì kě​néng qí​tā jīng​jì shuǐ​píng gèng hǎo de rén, tā​men kě​néng huì shì Aì​mǎ​shì.
KouKou: Luxury goods, I think it is a way of consumption that is related to your own economic level. For example, I know some luxury goods, bags such as LV and Gucchi are luxury goods to me, but maybe to others For people with better financial status, they may be Hermès.

或者是其他的或者一些手表，包括在日内瓦这个地方，大家也都知道这里有非常名贵的手表，包括百达翡丽、劳力士，我想他们很多他们的标价都是非常昂贵的，有可能是一般人没有办法去想象的，所以我觉得这对我来说，有些时候是超出你经济支撑的一个消费品。
huò​zhě shì qí​tā de huò​zhě yī​xiē shǒu​biǎo, bāo​kuò zài Rì​nèi​wǎ zhè​ge dì​fāng, dà​jiā yě dōu zhī​dào zhè​lǐ yǒu fēi​cháng míng​guì de shǒu​biǎo, bāo​kuò bǎi dá fěi lì 、 Láo​lì​shì, wǒ xiǎng tā​men hěn duō tā​men de biāo​jià dōu shì fēi​cháng áng​guì de, yǒu kě​néng shì yī​bān rén méi​yǒu bàn​fǎ qù xiǎng​xiàng de, suǒ​yǐ wǒ jué​de zhè duì wǒ lái shuō, yǒu​xiē shí​hou shì chāo​chū nǐ jīng​jì zhī​chēng de yí gè xiāo​fèi​pǐn.
Or some other watches, including in Geneva. Everyone knows that there are very expensive watches here, including Patek Philippe and Rolex. I think many of them are very expensive, and it is possible that ordinary people cannot go there. I imagine, so I think for me, this is sometimes a consumer product that is beyond your financial support.

Xinqing: 对，我觉得奢侈品就是你买了这个东西不是为了实用的价值，可能是为了怎么说炫耀，或者是体现你的身份的一个标识。
Xinqing: duì, wǒ jué​de shē​chǐ​pǐn jiù​shì nǐ mǎi le zhè​ge dōng​xi bù​shì wèi​le shí​yòng de jià​zhí, kě​néng shì wèi​le zěn​me shuō xuàn​yào, huò​zhě shì tǐ​xiàn nǐ de shēn​fèn de yí gè biāo​zhì.
Xinqing: Yes, I think luxury goods are things you buy not for practical value, but maybe to show off, or as a symbol to reflect your identity.

像这样的东西像你说的我觉得跟每个人的经济水平有关系，比如说刚毕业的话，我们觉得一些像你说的Gucci可能Coach就是奢侈品，但等了你赚很多钱，对于有钱人来说，这些就算很便宜的东西了，可能买豪车，像比如说这种什么兰博基尼或者是法拉利也才是奢侈品。
xiàng zhè​yàng de dōng​xi xiàng nǐ shuō de wǒ jué​de gēn měi gè rén de jīng​jì shuǐ​píng yǒu guān​xi, bǐ​rú shuō gāng bì​yè de​huà, wǒ​men jué​de yī​xiē xiàng nǐ shuō de Gucci kě​néng Coach jiù​shì shē​chǐ​pǐn, dàn děng le nǐ zhuàn hěn duō qián, duì​yú yǒu​qián​rén lái shuō, zhè​xiē jiù​suàn hěn pián​yi de dōng​xi le, kě​néng mǎi háo chē, xiàng bǐ​rú shuō zhè​zhǒng shén​me Lán​bó​jī​ní huò​zhě shì Fǎ​lā​lì yě cái shì shē​chǐ​pǐn.
Things like this, as you said, I think are related to everyone’s economic level. For example, if you have just graduated, we think some things like Gucci and Coach you mentioned are luxury goods, but after you make a lot of money, for those who have money, For people, even though these are very cheap things, maybe buying a luxury car, such as a Lamborghini or a Ferrari, is considered a luxury item.

但是对我也有观察到，我身边有好多的朋友，他们可能会用一个月的薪水，或者是两个月的薪水去买一个包，包对于我来说还挺难想象的。
dàn​shì duì wǒ yě yǒu guān​chá dào, wǒ shēn​biān yǒu hǎo​duō de péng​you, tā​men kě​néng huì yòng yí gè yuè de xīn​shuǐ, huò​zhě shì liǎng gè yuè de xīn​shuǐ qù mǎi yí gè bāo, bāo duì​yú wǒ lái shuō hái tǐng nán xiǎng​xiàng de.
But I have also observed that there are many friends around me who may use one month’s salary or two months’ salary to buy a bag. Bags are quite unimaginable to me.

所以我想就跟你聊聊， Koukou，你平时会买奢侈品吗？
suǒ​yǐ wǒ xiǎng jiù gēn nǐ liáo liáo, Koukou, nǐ píng​shí huì mǎi shē​chǐ​pǐn ma?
So I want to talk to you, Koukou, do you usually buy luxury goods?

KouKou: 是这样的，其实说起来也很有意思，我在中国的时候还没有出国经验的时候，我还是会比较向往可以买奢侈品。
KouKou: shì zhè​yàng de, qí​shí shuō qǐ​lai yě hěn yǒu​yì​si, wǒ zài Zhōng​guó de shí​hou hái méi​yǒu chū​guó jīng​yàn de shí​hou, wǒ hái​shi huì bǐ​jiào xiàng​wǎng kě​yǐ mǎi shē​chǐ​pǐn.
KouKou: That’s right. It’s actually very interesting to say that when I was in China and had no experience of going abroad, I still yearned to buy luxury goods.

就是像你说的，可能当代的中国年轻女孩还是会有一种爱慕虚荣的这样的环境在。
jiù​shì xiàng nǐ shuō de, kě​néng dāng​dài de Zhōng​guó nián​qīng nǚ​hái hái​shi huì yǒu yī​zhǒng ài​mù xū​róng de zhè​yàng de huán​jìng zài.
Just like you said, perhaps contemporary Chinese young girls still have an environment of admiring vanity.

然后像你说的，我觉得它更多的是一种符号，尤其是消费符号，它不仅仅是一个实用的功能，但是像我自己会偏实用的奢侈品，比如说买个大包包它就可以装电脑，也非常的实用。
rán​hòu xiàng nǐ shuō de, wǒ jué​de tā gèng duō de shì yī​zhǒng fú​hào, yóu​qí shì xiāo​fèi fú​hào, tā bù​jǐn jǐn shì yí gè shí​yòng de gōng​néng, dàn​shì xiàng wǒ zì​jǐ huì piān shí​yòng de shē​chǐ​pǐn, bǐ​rú shuō mǎi gè dà bāo bāo tā jiù kě​yǐ zhuāng diàn​nǎo, yě fēi​cháng de shí​yòng.
And like you said, I think it is more of a symbol, especially a consumption symbol. It is not just a practical function, but I prefer practical luxuries, such as buying a big bag. It can be installed on a computer and is very practical.

其实我意识到有些奢侈品它设计还是挺好看的，你就会觉得它真的很耐看，尤其是 Coco Chanel非常的经典，我很喜欢它的款式，它的风格以及它背后的故事，所以我觉得不能简简单单的把它看作一个符号，它可能也有很多人是要购买它背后的一种价值，就是说文化价值。
qí​shí wǒ yì​shí dào yǒu​xiē shē​chǐ​pǐn tā shè​jì hái​shi tǐng hǎo​kàn de, nǐ jiù huì jué​de tā zhēn de hěn nài​kàn, yóu​qí shì Coco Chanel fēi​cháng de jīng​diǎn, wǒ hěn xǐ​huan tā de kuǎn​shì, tā de fēng​gé yǐ​jí tā bèi​hòu de gù​shì, suǒ​yǐ wǒ jué​de bù​néng jiǎn jiǎn​dān dān de bǎ tā kàn​zuò yí gè fú​hào, tā kě​néng yě yǒu hěn duō rén shì yào gòu​mǎi tā bèi​hòu de yī​zhǒng jià​zhí, jiù​shì​shuō wén​huà jià​zhí.
In fact, I realized that the designs of some luxury goods are quite beautiful, and you will think that they are really eye-catching, especially Coco Chanel, which is very classic. I like its style, style and the story behind it very much, so I I feel that it cannot simply be regarded as a symbol. There may be a value behind it that many people want to buy, that is, cultural value.

Xinqing: 对，我也觉得不能一棒子打死，就说奢侈品是爱慕虚荣，我觉得每一个人每个女孩可能都应该给自己买一两件或者两三件奢侈品，特别是我觉得毕业了以后，第一次赚钱对于我来说是一个很重大的人生阶段的转变，然后你步入职场，你觉得我现在需要成为一个职场女性了，我可能需要那么一两件比较好的经典款的包包鞋子，然后你可能就不会再去买Zara或者H&M，你会觉得说我需要一些更加品质更加好的牌子。
Xinqing: duì, wǒ yě jué​de bù​néng yí bàng​zi dǎ​sǐ, jiù shuō shē​chǐ​pǐn shì ài​mù xū​róng, wǒ jué​de měi yí gè rén měi gè nǚ​hái kě​néng dōu yīng​gāi gěi zì​jǐ mǎi yì liǎng jiàn huò​zhě liǎng sān jiàn shē​chǐ​pǐn, tè​bié shì wǒ jué​de bì​yè le yǐ​hòu, dì​yī​cì zhuàn​qián duì​yú wǒ lái shuō shì yí gè hěn zhòng​dà de rén​shēng jiē​duàn de zhuǎn​biàn, rán​hòu nǐ bù​rù zhí​chǎng, nǐ jué​de wǒ xiàn​zài xū​yào chéng​wéi yí gè zhí​chǎng nǚ​xìng le, wǒ kě​néng xū​yào nà​me yì liǎng jiàn bǐ​jiào hǎo de jīng​diǎn kuǎn de bāo​bāo xié​zi, rán​hòu nǐ kě​néng jiù bù​huì zài qù mǎi Zara huò​zhě H& M, nǐ huì jué​de shuō wǒ xū​yào yī​xiē gèng​jiā pǐn​zhì gèng​jiā hǎo de pái​zi.
Xinqing: Yes, I don’t think you can kill them with a stick, just say that luxury goods are a sign of vanity. I think every girl should probably buy one or two or two or three luxury goods for herself, especially after graduation. After getting married, making money for the first time was a very important stage change in my life. Then you enter the workplace and you think I need to become a working woman now. I may need one or two better classic items. bags and shoes, then you may not buy Zara or H&M anymore, you will feel that I need some brands with better quality.

所以你刚才说Coco chanel这样的包大概多少钱的价位，就是你买过最便宜，或者最对你买的奢侈品一般是什么价位的？
suǒ​yǐ nǐ gāng​cái shuō Coco chanel zhè​yàng de bāo dà​gài duō​shǎo qián de jià​wèi, jiù​shì nǐ mǎi guò zuì pián​yi, huò​zhě zuì duì nǐ mǎi de shē​chǐ​pǐn yī​bān shì shén​me jià​wèi de?
So what you just said is the approximate price of a bag like Coco Chanel. What is the price of the cheapest or most suitable luxury goods you have ever bought?

KouKou: 我真的买的很少，我会去关注一些动态，然后对我来说上万的就是奢侈品了，因为我现在还没有正式的工作，但是像你说的超过自己经济能力范围的一些，比如说花自己一个月的工资去买一个奢侈品，我觉得有时候它也是一种愉悦自己的体现，自己很想要一个东西，你就买给自己，然后你又很开心。
KouKou: wǒ zhēn de mǎi de hěn shǎo, wǒ huì qù guān​zhù yī​xiē dòng​tài, rán​hòu duì wǒ lái shuō shàng​wàn de jiù​shì shē​chǐ​pǐn le, yīn​wèi wǒ xiàn​zài hái méi​yǒu zhèng​shì de gōng​zuò, dàn​shì xiàng nǐ shuō de chāo​guò zì​jǐ jīng​jì néng​lì fàn​wéi de yī​xiē, bǐ​rú shuō huā zì​jǐ yí gè yuè de gōng​zī qù mǎi yí gè shē​chǐ​pǐn, wǒ jué​de yǒu​shí​hou tā yě shì yī​zhǒng yú​yuè zì​jǐ de tǐ​xiàn, zì​jǐ hěn xiǎng​yào yí gè dōng​xi, nǐ jiù mǎi gěi zì​jǐ, rán​hòu nǐ yòu hěn kāi​xīn.
KouKou: I really buy very little, I will pay attention to some news, and for me, tens of thousands is a luxury item, because I don’t have a formal job yet, but as you said, it is beyond my financial ability. Some, such as spending one month’s salary to buy a luxury product, I think sometimes it is also a manifestation of pleasing yourself. If you really want something, you buy it for yourself, and then you will be very happy.

我觉得这次购物是一次愉悦的体验。
wǒ jué​de zhè cì gòu​wù shì yī​cì yú​yuè de tǐ​yàn.
I found this shopping experience to be a pleasant one.

我前几天很有趣，我刚好看到一个采访，也是一位中国的主持人采访一个奢侈品公司的老板，然后说怎么看这种超出你经济能力范围的消费，然后他就说这是他的自由，就是他有这样的选择权，但是我觉得还是不要沉迷在这种消费里面，一定要有自己的计划，消费计划以及自己的想法在里面，不然就会失去自我，我觉得有这样的危险，对。
wǒ qián jǐ​tiān hěn yǒu​qù, wǒ gāng​hǎo kàn dào yí gè cǎi​fǎng, yě shì yí wèi Zhōng​guó de zhǔ​chí​rén cǎi​fǎng yí gè shē​chǐ​pǐn gōng​sī de lǎo​bǎn, rán​hòu shuō zěn​me kàn zhè​zhǒng chāo​chū nǐ jīng​jì néng​lì fàn​wéi de xiāo​fèi, rán​hòu tā jiù shuō zhè shì tā de zì​yóu, jiù​shì tā yǒu zhè​yàng de xuǎn​zé quán, dàn​shì wǒ jué​de hái​shi bù​yào chén​mí zài zhè​zhǒng xiāo​fèi lǐ​miàn, yī​dìng yào yǒu zì​jǐ de jì​huà, xiāo​fèi jì​huà yǐ​jí zì​jǐ de xiǎng​fǎ zài lǐ​miàn, bù​rán jiù huì shī​qù zì​wǒ, wǒ jué​de yǒu zhè​yàng de wēi​xiǎn, duì.
It was very interesting to me a few days ago. I happened to see an interview. It was also a Chinese host interviewing the boss of a luxury goods company, and then he said how to deal with this kind of consumption that is beyond your financial capabilities, and then he said it was his Freedom means that he has the right to choose, but I think it is better not to indulge in this kind of consumption. You must have your own plan, consumption plan and your own ideas in it, otherwise you will lose yourself. I think there is such a Dangerous, yes.

Xinqing: 我觉得对于我们比如说我现在工作了六七年，那么可能买一个一两万的包包，家里有一个或者两个我觉得是很正常的，但是说如果我要贷款，或者用信用卡，刷爆信用卡去买一些包奢侈品，就像你说的是沉迷于这种身份标识符号之类的。
Xinqing: wǒ jué​de duì​yú wǒ​men bǐ​rú shuō wǒ xiàn​zài gōng​zuò le liù qī nián, nà​me kě​néng mǎi yí gè yì liǎng wàn de bāo​bāo, jiā​lǐ yǒu yí gè huò​zhě liǎng gè wǒ jué​de shì hěn zhèng​cháng de, dàn​shì shuō rú​guǒ wǒ yào dài​kuǎn, huò​zhě yòng xìn​yòng​kǎ, shuā bào xìn​yòng​kǎ qù mǎi yī​xiē bāo shē​chǐ​pǐn, jiù xiàng nǐ shuō de shì chén​mí yú zhè​zhǒng shēn​fèn biāo​zhì fú hào zhī​lèi de.
Xinqing: I think for us, for example, I have been working for six or seven years now, so I might buy a bag worth 10,000 to 20,000 yuan. I think it is normal to have one or two at home, but if I want a loan, or use a credit card , Max out your credit card to buy some luxury goods, just like you said, you are addicted to this kind of identity symbol.

让我想到就是几个月前，在中国有这么一件网络上非常有名的事件，我觉得国外的网友可能没有关注。
ràng wǒ xiǎng​dào jiù​shì jǐ​ge yuè qián, zài Zhōng​guó yǒu zhè​me yí jiàn Wǎng​luò shàng fēi​cháng yǒu​míng de shì​jiàn, wǒ jué​de guó​wài de wǎng​yǒu kě​néng méi​yǒu guān​zhù.
It reminds me that just a few months ago, there was such a famous incident on the Internet in China. I think foreign netizens may not have paid attention to it.

有一个网络的直播红人在中国非常有名，叫李佳琦，李佳琦他在中国的就是live stream，网络直播上面卖东西，特别是卖化妆品，很多的女生关注他，然后几个月前他在网上卖一支眉笔，是不是眉笔，你记得。
yǒu yí gè Wǎng​luò de zhí​bō hóng rén zài Zhōng​guó fēi​cháng yǒu​míng, jiào Lǐ jiā qí, Lǐ jiā qí tā zài Zhōng​guó de jiù​shì live stream, Wǎng​luò zhí​bō shàng​miàn mài dōng​xi, tè​bié shì mài huà​zhuāng​pǐn, hěn duō de nǚ​shēng guān​zhù tā, rán​hòu jǐ​ge yuè qián tā zài wǎng​shàng mài yì zhī méi​bǐ, shì​bù​shì méi​bǐ, nǐ jì​de.
There is a very famous online live broadcast celebrity in China, called Li Jiaqi. Li Jiaqi’s live stream in China is where he sells things, especially cosmetics. Many girls follow him, and a few months ago he sold online An eyebrow pencil, whether it is an eyebrow pencil or not, you remember.

KouKou: 我不知道这个事情。
KouKou: wǒ bù zhī​dào zhè​ge shì​qing.
KouKou: I don’t know about this.

没听过。
méi tīng guò.
Have not heard.

Xinqing: 你不知道这个事件吗？
Xinqing: nǐ bù zhī​dào zhè​ge shì​jiàn ma?
Xinqing: Don’t you know about this incident?

KouKou: 是花西子吗？
KouKou: shì huā Xī​zǐ ma?
KouKou: Is it Hua Xizi?

Xinqing: 对，花西子一个牌子，好像是眉笔，就是画眉毛的铅笔，然后花西子是卖79块钱一只，大概就是10美金一支眉笔，但是在中国来说其实算比较贵的，对吧？
Xinqing: duì, huā Xī​zǐ yí gè pái​zi, hǎo​xiàng shì méi​bǐ, jiù​shì huà méi​mao de qiān​bǐ, rán​hòu huā Xī​zǐ shì mài 79 kuài qián yì zhī, dà​gài jiù​shì 10 Měi​jīn yì zhī méi​bǐ, dàn​shì zài Zhōng​guó lái shuō qí​shí suàn bǐ​jiào guì de, duì ba?
Xinqing: Yes, Hua Xizi is a brand, it seems to be an eyebrow pencil, which is a pencil for drawing eyebrows. Hua Xizi sells one for 79 yuan, which is about 10 US dollars per eyebrow pencil, but it is actually relatively expensive in China. ,Right?

中国在淘宝上买一支眉笔可能多少钱？
Zhōng​guó zài táo bǎo shàng mǎi yì zhī méi​bǐ kě​néng duō​shǎo qián?
How much does it cost to buy an eyebrow pencil on Taobao in China?

10块钱。
10 kuài qián.
10 yuan.

KouKou: 对。
KouKou: duì.
KouKou: Yes.

Xinqing: 10块20块就可以买到，然后后来就有女生留言说你卖的眉笔太贵了，要79块钱一支，79块人民币一只，然后李佳琦在网上面说79块钱一只就很贵吗？
Xinqing: 10 kuài 20 kuài jiù kě​yǐ mǎi dào, rán​hòu hòu​lái jiù yǒu nǚ​shēng liú​yán shuō nǐ mài de méi​bǐ tài guì le, yào 79 kuài qián yì zhī, 79 kuài rén​mín​bì yì zhī, rán​hòu Lǐ jiā qí zài wǎng shàng​miàn shuō 79 kuài qián yì zhī jiù hěn guì ma?
Xinqing: You can buy it for 10 yuan or 20 yuan. Then some girls left a message saying that the eyebrow pencil you sell is too expensive. It costs 79 yuan a piece and 79 yuan a piece. Then Li Jiaqi said online that it costs 79 yuan a piece. Is it just expensive?

你们有没有好好工作？
nǐ​men yǒu​méi​yǒu hǎo​hǎo gōng​zuò?
Are you doing a good job?

你们自己反思一下，这几年工资涨没涨，有没有好好工作，然后后来就好多的网友不买账，好多网友就非常生气，因为这几年经济确实不太好，但是女生还是买，还是想要变美，会花钱买化妆品，但是在我觉得这是一个非常矛盾的地方，就是消费降级，但是同时大家还是会想要买一些奢侈品来愉悦自己。
nǐ​men zì​jǐ fǎn​sī yī​xià, zhè jǐ​nián gōng​zī zhǎng méi zhǎng, yǒu​méi​yǒu hǎo​hǎo gōng​zuò, rán​hòu hòu​lái jiù hǎo​duō de wǎng​yǒu bù mǎi​zhàng, hǎo​duō wǎng​yǒu jiù fēi​cháng shēng​qì, yīn​wèi zhè jǐ​nián jīng​jì què​shí bù​tài​hǎo, dàn​shì nǚ​shēng hái​shi mǎi, hái​shi xiǎng​yào biàn měi, huì huā​qián mǎi huà​zhuāng​pǐn, dàn​shì zài wǒ jué​de zhè shì yí gè fēi​cháng máo​dùn de dì​fāng, jiù​shì xiāo​fèi jiàng​jí, dàn​shì tóng​shí dà​jiā hái​shi huì xiǎng​yào mǎi yī​xiē shē​chǐ​pǐn lái yú​yuè zì​jǐ.
You should reflect on yourselves, whether your wages have increased in the past few years, whether you are working well, and then many netizens did not buy it, and many netizens were very angry, because the economy has not been very good in recent years, but girls still buy it and still want to If you want to be beautiful, you will spend money on cosmetics, but I think this is a very contradictory place, that is, consumption is downgraded, but at the same time, people still want to buy some luxury goods to please themselves.

KouKou: 对，你说的很有意思，我想到的整个社会它可能都有一种劣币驱逐良币的趋势，人们有可能就是会更倾向于购买那些比较便宜又劣质的东西，导致这个市场上也会充斥着这样一种氛围，然后会让大家远离一些真的好的品质的产品。
KouKou: duì, nǐ shuō de hěn yǒu​yì​si, wǒ xiǎng​dào de zhěng​gè shè​huì tā kě​néng dōu yǒu yī​zhǒng liè bì qū​zhú liáng bì de qū​shì, rén​men yǒu kě​néng jiù​shì huì gèng qīng​xiàng yú gòu​mǎi nà​xiē bǐ​jiào pián​yi yòu liè​zhì de dōng​xi, dǎo​zhì zhè​ge shì​chǎng shàng yě huì chōng​chì zhe zhè​yàng yī​zhǒng fēn​wéi, rán​hòu huì ràng dà​jiā yuǎn​lí yī​xiē zhēn de hǎo de pǐn​zhì de chǎn​pǐn.
KouKou: Yes, what you said is very interesting. I think that the entire society may have a tendency for bad money to drive out good money. People may be more inclined to buy cheaper and inferior things, causing the market to also It will be filled with such an atmosphere, which will keep everyone away from some really good quality products.

我觉得还是需要有一些力量去真正去带货的时候，传递一些正能量，还有一些美好。
wǒ jué​de hái​shi xū​yào yǒu yī​xiē lì​liang qù zhēn​zhèng qù dài huò de shí​hou, chuán​dì yī​xiē zhèng néng​liàng, hái​yǒu yī​xiē měi​hǎo.
I think we still need some strength to deliver some positive energy and some beauty when we actually bring goods.

比如说中国有一句老话，就是货真价实，或者是说一个产品它有什么样的品质，它就定什么样的价，如果太低了，有可能你买到的品质也不好像我们买一件衣服，比如说是快时尚的衣服，很多时候我觉得我们会有同感，它的质量其实不好。
bǐ​rú shuō Zhōng​guó yǒu yī​jù lǎo huà, jiù​shì huò​zhēn​jià​shí, huò​zhě shì shuō yí gè chǎn​pǐn tā yǒu shén​me​yàng de pǐn​zhì, tā jiù dìng shén​me​yàng de jià, rú​guǒ tài dī le, yǒu kě​néng nǐ mǎi dào de pǐn​zhì yě bù hǎo​xiàng wǒ​men mǎi yí jiàn yī​fu, bǐ​rú shuō shì kuài shí​shàng de yī​fu, hěn duō shí​hou wǒ jué​de wǒ​men huì yǒu tóng​gǎn, tā de zhì​liàng qí​shí bù​hǎo.
For example, there is an old saying in China that the goods are genuine and the price is high. In other words, a product will be priced according to its quality. If it is too low, the quality you buy may not be the same as when we buy a piece of clothing. , for example, fast fashion clothes, many times I think we all feel the same way, the quality is actually not good.

Xinqing: 我们一年穿两年或者洗一下就坏了，这样子其实对环境也很不好。
Xinqing: wǒ​men yì nián chuān liǎng nián huò​zhě xǐ yī​xià jiù huài le, zhè yàng​zi qí​shí duì huán​jìng yě hěn bù​hǎo.
Xinqing: We wear them every year or two, or they break after just one wash. This is actually very bad for the environment.

非常浪费，是的。
fēi​cháng làng​fèi, shì de.
Very wasteful, yes.

对拼多多大家可能也听说过，在中国有这么几个大的购物平台，有淘宝、京东，然后还有拼多多，但拼多多主打的就是一个非常便宜的消费的平台，在拼多多网上面可能你花三块钱，两块钱还包邮。
duì pīn duō​duō dà​jiā kě​néng yě tīng​shuō guò, zài Zhōng​guó yǒu zhè​me jǐ​ge dà de gòu​wù píng​tái, yǒu táo bǎo 、 Jīng dōng, rán​hòu hái​yǒu pīn duō​duō, dàn pīn duō​duō zhǔ dǎ de jiù​shì yí gè fēi​cháng pián​yi de xiāo​fèi de píng​tái, zài pīn duō​duō wǎng shàng​miàn kě​néng nǐ huā sān kuài qián, liǎng kuài qián hái bāo yóu.
You may have heard of Pinduoduo. There are several large shopping platforms in China, including Taobao, JD.com, and Pinduoduo. However, Pinduoduo’s main focus is a very cheap consumption platform. On Pinduoduo.com You may pay three yuan for the noodles, and you can get free shipping for two yuan.

包邮就是你买了以后不需要delivery fee，不需要邮费，然后三块钱就可以买拖鞋，然后当时就好多人说这是中国消费降级的体现，现在年轻人都会去买三块钱的拖鞋。
bāo yóu jiù​shì nǐ mǎi le yǐ​hòu bù xū​yào delivery fee, bù xū​yào yóu​fèi, rán​hòu sān kuài qián jiù kě​yǐ mǎi tuō​xié, rán​hòu dāng​shí jiù hǎo​duō rén shuō zhè shì Zhōng​guó xiāo​fèi jiàng​jí de tǐ​xiàn, xiàn​zài nián​qīng​rén dōu huì qù mǎi sān kuài qián de tuō​xié.
Free shipping means that you don’t need delivery fees or postage after buying it, and you can buy slippers for three yuan. At that time, many people said that this was a reflection of China’s consumption downgrade. Now young people will buy slippers for three yuan. .

KouKou: 对，这个也很有趣，我记得我跟我的朋友们一起聊天的时候，我们会去抱怨，比如说一双袜子卖的这么贵，但是他们会说奢侈品可能1万 2万，但我觉得挺划算挺便宜。
KouKou: duì, zhè​ge yě hěn yǒu​qù, wǒ jì​de wǒ gēn wǒ de péng​you men yī​qǐ liáo​tiān de shí​hou, wǒ​men huì qù bào​yuàn, bǐ​rú shuō yì shuāng wà​zi mài de zhè​me guì, dàn​shì tā​men huì shuō shē​chǐ​pǐn kě​néng 1 wàn 2 wàn, dàn wǒ jué​de tǐng huá​suàn tǐng pián​yi.
KouKou: Yes, this is also very interesting. I remember when I was chatting with my friends, we would complain, for example, a pair of socks was so expensive, but they would say that luxury goods might cost 10,000 to 20,000, but I I think it’s quite cost-effective and cheap.

就是说我们对一个商品的期待，它价值的期待是有不同的标准的，
jiù​shì​shuō wǒ​men duì yí gè shāng​pǐn de qī​dài, tā jià​zhí de qī​dài shì yǒu bù​tóng de biāo​zhǔn de,
That is to say, our expectations for a product and its value have different standards.

Xinqing: 很奇怪的是，有些女生可能会像你说的，不舍得花5块钱买一双袜子，他说我要去拼多多买3块钱的袜子，但是他同时转眼就去买一个1万块钱的包包，然后而且在上海，我最近因为我马上要回国，我在查一些上海的攻略，上海一杯奶茶，或者上海有好多特别流行的地方，一杯奶茶，一根冰棒，一根冰激凌就要卖15块钱20块钱，然后我看到好多人还是排队去买。
Xinqing: hěn qí​guài de shì, yǒu​xiē nǚ​shēng kě​néng huì xiàng nǐ shuō de, bù shě​de huā 5 kuài qián mǎi yì shuāng wà​zi, tā shuō wǒ yào qù pīn duō​duō mǎi 3 kuài qián de wà​zi, dàn​shì tā tóng​shí zhuǎn​yǎn jiù qù mǎi yí gè 1 wàn kuài qián de bāo​bāo, rán​hòu ér​qiě zài Shàng​hǎi, wǒ zuì​jìn yīn​wèi wǒ mǎ​shàng yào huí​guó, wǒ zài chá yī​xiē Shàng​hǎi de gōng​lüè, Shàng​hǎi yì bēi nǎi​chá, huò​zhě Shàng​hǎi yǒu hǎo​duō tè​bié liú​xíng de dì​fāng, yì bēi nǎi​chá, yì gēn bīng​bàng, yì gēn bīng​jī​líng jiù​yào mài 15 kuài qián 20 kuài qián, rán​hòu wǒ kàn dào hǎo​duō rén hái​shi pái​duì qù mǎi.
Xinqing: What’s strange is that some girls may be reluctant to spend 5 yuan to buy a pair of socks like you said. He said I’m going to go to Pinduoduo to buy 3 yuan socks, but at the same time he bought a pair of 10,000 yuan socks in the blink of an eye. 1 yuan bag, and in Shanghai, because I am going back to China soon, I am looking up some Shanghai guides, a cup of milk tea in Shanghai, or there are many particularly popular places in Shanghai, a cup of milk tea, a popsicle, and an ice cream It cost 15 yuan or 20 yuan, and then I saw a lot of people queuing up to buy it.

KouKou: 对，我觉得奶茶也是真的很贵，尤其是当你请大家喝奶茶的时候，如果你要请10个人喝奶茶，像以前请大家喝饮料是很正常的事情，但是你想想如果一杯奶茶就要花50，你请10个人就要花500了。
KouKou: duì, wǒ jué​de nǎi​chá yě shì zhēn de hěn guì, yóu​qí shì dāng nǐ qǐng dà​jiā hē nǎi​chá de shí​hou, rú​guǒ nǐ yào qǐng 10 gè​rén hē nǎi​chá, xiàng yǐ​qián qǐng dà​jiā hē yǐn​liào shì hěn zhèng​cháng de shì​qing, dàn​shì nǐ xiǎng xiǎng rú​guǒ yì bēi nǎi​chá jiù​yào huā 50, nǐ qǐng 10 gè​rén jiù​yào huā 500 le.
KouKou: Yes, I think milk tea is also really expensive, especially when you treat everyone to drink milk tea. If you want to treat 10 people to drink milk tea, it is normal to treat everyone to drinks like before, but if you think about it, A cup of milk tea costs 50, and if you invite 10 people, it will cost 500.

Xinqing: 对，现在奶茶都要几十块钱一杯，特别贵，特别是一些网红，我觉得这个趋势在国内现在特别的多，有一个牌子或者一个网红奶茶，然后大家一定要去打卡，然后就会花蛮多钱去买一杯网红奶茶这样子。
Xinqing: duì, xiàn​zài nǎi​chá dōu yào jǐ shí kuài qián yì bēi, tè​bié guì, tè​bié shì yī​xiē wǎng hóng, wǒ jué​de zhè​ge qū​shì zài guó​nèi xiàn​zài tè​bié de duō, yǒu yí gè pái​zi huò​zhě yí gè wǎng hóng nǎi​chá, rán​hòu dà​jiā yī​dìng yào qù dǎ​kǎ, rán​hòu jiù huì huā mán duō qián qù mǎi yì bēi wǎng hóng nǎi​chá zhè yàng​zi.
Xinqing: Yes, a cup of milk tea now costs tens of yuan, which is very expensive, especially for some Internet celebrities. I think this trend is very popular in China now. There is a brand or Internet celebrity milk tea, and then everyone must check in. Then I will spend a lot of money to buy a cup of Internet celebrity milk tea.

KouKou: 是，但同时我也看到很多人，比如说瑞幸这个品牌，他的咖啡就卖的比较便宜，然后大家也会去买单。
KouKou: shì, dàn tóng​shí wǒ yě kàn dào hěn duō rén, bǐ​rú shuō ruì xìng zhè​ge pǐn​pái, tā de kā​fēi jiù mài de bǐ​jiào pián​yi, rán​hòu dà​jiā yě huì qù mǎi​dān.
KouKou: Yes, but at the same time, I also see many people, such as the brand Luckin, selling their coffee relatively cheaply, and everyone will pay for it.

我自己个人来说，我尝了我是不是特别喜欢，但是我发现非常多的年轻人也会认可这种品牌，然后以及它的价格也不是说完完全全的主流。
wǒ zì​jǐ gè​rén lái shuō, wǒ cháng le wǒ shì​bù​shì tè​bié xǐ​huan, dàn​shì wǒ fā​xiàn fēi​cháng duō de nián​qīng​rén yě huì rèn​kě zhè​zhǒng pǐn​pái, rán​hòu yǐ​jí tā de jià​gé yě bù​shì shuō wán​wán​quán​quán de zhǔ​liú.
Personally, I tasted it and I didn’t particularly like it, but I found that a lot of young people also recognize this brand, and its price is not completely mainstream.

像你说的就是消费降级或者说这种完全的风格，我觉得。
xiàng nǐ shuō de jiù​shì xiāo​fèi jiàng​jí huò​zhě shuō zhè​zhǒng wán​quán de fēng​gé, wǒ jué​de.
What you said is consumption downgrade or this complete style, I think.

Xinqing: 像瑞幸就是主打一个货美价廉，对货真价实一个比较又比较便宜，但是价质量又比较好的一个产品，有点像以前那很早以前像无印良品，日本的牌子像Muji这种。
Xinqing: xiàng ruì xìng jiù​shì zhǔ dǎ yí gè huò měi jià lián, duì huò​zhēn​jià​shí yí gè bǐ​jiào yòu bǐ​jiào pián​yi, dàn​shì jià zhì​liàng yòu bǐ​jiào hǎo de yí gè chǎn​pǐn, yǒu​diǎn xiàng yǐ​qián nà hěn zǎo yǐ​qián xiàng wú yìn liáng pǐn, Rì​běn de pái​zi xiàng Muji zhè​zhǒng.
Xinqing: For example, Ruixing mainly focuses on products with good quality and low price. It is cheaper to compare genuine products with good price and quality. It is a bit like the long time ago like Muji, Japanese brands like Muji. .

KouKou: 对我觉得它的叫business model，就是它的商业模式，还是有他的打法的。
KouKou: duì wǒ jué​de tā de jiào business model, jiù​shì tā de shāng​yè​mó​shì, hái​shi yǒu tā de dǎ​fǎ de.
KouKou: I think it is called business model, which is its business model and its own style of play.

对。
duì.
right.

Xinqing: 那我刚才想问你，你拥有过最贵的一件奢侈品是什么？
Xinqing: nà wǒ gāng​cái xiǎng wèn nǐ, nǐ yōng​yǒu guò zuì guì de yí jiàn shē​chǐ​pǐn shì shén​me?
Xinqing: Then I just wanted to ask you, what is the most expensive luxury item you have ever owned?

或者在你的定义里的奢侈品？
huò​zhě zài nǐ de dìng​yì lǐ de shē​chǐ​pǐn?
Or luxury in your definition?

KouKou: 好问题。
KouKou: hǎo wèn​tí.
KouKou: Good question.

可能是一个包包，但是其实我最想分享的是我在大学的时候，我给自己买了一个我觉得还是比较贵的衣服的，它好像是3000多块钱，在我上大学的时候，然后他其实就是一件很普通的棒球服，然后它是加棉的，然后我是1995年出生，然后他好像也是1995年的一个牌子，然后我就很认可觉得这衣服属于我，当时有点觉得确实对我来说当时有点贵了，我觉得那应该是属于我印象中意义上的一个第一件奢侈品，它不算是最贵的，但对我当时我的来说我非常想要，然后我又付出了比较多的零花钱去买这个衣服，然后后面后面也会觉得可能没有像最开始觉得它那么好看了，但到目前为止我都还在穿，然后它也有保暖的功能，所以我觉得。
kě​néng shì yí gè bāo​bāo, dàn​shì qí​shí wǒ zuì xiǎng fēn​xiǎng de shì wǒ zài Dà​xué de shí​hou, wǒ gěi zì​jǐ mǎi le yí gè wǒ jué​de hái​shi bǐ​jiào guì de yī​fu de, tā hǎo​xiàng shì 3000 duō kuài qián, zài wǒ shàng Dà​xué de shí​hou, rán​hòu tā qí​shí jiù​shì yí jiàn hěn pǔ​tōng de bàng​qiú fú, rán​hòu tā shì jiā mián de, rán​hòu wǒ shì 1995 nián chū​shēng, rán​hòu tā hǎo​xiàng yě shì 1995 nián de yí gè pái​zi, rán​hòu wǒ jiù hěn rèn​kě jué​de zhè yī​fu shǔ​yú wǒ, dāng​shí yǒu​diǎn jué​de què​shí duì wǒ lái shuō dāng​shí yǒu​diǎn guì le, wǒ jué​de nà yīng​gāi shì shǔ​yú wǒ yìn​xiàng zhōng yì​yì shàng de yí gè dì​yī jiàn shē​chǐ​pǐn, tā bú suàn shì zuì guì de, dàn duì wǒ dāng​shí wǒ de lái shuō wǒ fēi​cháng xiǎng​yào, rán​hòu wǒ yòu fù​chū le bǐ​jiào duō de líng​huā​qián qù mǎi zhè​ge yī​fu, rán​hòu hòu​miàn hòu​miàn yě huì jué​de kě​néng méi​yǒu xiàng zuì kāi​shǐ jué​de tā nà​me hǎo​kàn le, dàn dào mù​qián wéi​zhǐ wǒ dōu hái zài chuān, rán​hòu tā yě yǒu bǎo​nuǎn de gōng​néng, suǒ​yǐ wǒ jué​de.
It might be a bag, but actually what I want to share most is that when I was in college, I bought myself a piece of clothing that I thought was relatively expensive. It seemed to be more than 3,000 yuan. When I was in college, Then it was actually a very ordinary baseball uniform, and it was made of cotton. Then I was born in 1995, and it seemed to be a brand in 1995. Then I recognized that this clothes belonged to me. At that time, I felt a little bit It was indeed a bit expensive for me at the time. I think it was the first luxury item in my impression. It was not the most expensive, but for me at the time, I wanted it very much, and then I spent a lot of pocket money to buy this dress, and later I felt that it might not be as good-looking as I thought it was at first, but so far I am still wearing it, and it also has the function of keeping warm, so I feel.

目前想起来还是值得的。
mù​qián xiǎng qǐ​lai hái​shi zhí​de de.
It’s worth it now that I think about it.

Xinqing: 你现在还在穿，已经穿了好几年了。（
Xinqing: nǐ xiàn​zài hái zài chuān, yǐ​jīng chuān le hǎo​jǐ​nián le. (
Xinqing: You are still wearing it now, and you have been wearing it for several years. (

对，10年了就很恋旧。）
duì, 10 nián le jiù hěn liàn​jiù.)
Yes, I feel nostalgic after 10 years. )

我觉得像一件3000块钱的衣服，如果你能穿10年，而且而且对你来说有特殊的意义，我觉得还是很值得的，确实不是特别贵。
wǒ jué​de xiàng yí jiàn 3000 kuài qián de yī​fu, rú​guǒ nǐ néng chuān 10 nián, ér​qiě ér​qiě duì nǐ lái shuō yǒu tè​shū de yì​yì, wǒ jué​de hái​shi hěn zhí​de de, què​shí bù​shì tè​bié guì.
I think a piece of clothing costs 3,000 yuan. If you can wear it for 10 years and it has special meaning to you, I think it is still worth it. It is indeed not particularly expensive.

像你说的大学毕业的时候或者是有特殊意义的时候，买一件让自己觉得特别开心的东西，还是挺有意义的。
xiàng nǐ shuō de Dà​xué bì​yè de shí​hou huò​zhě shì yǒu tè​shū yì​yì de shí​hou, mǎi yí jiàn ràng zì​jǐ jué​de tè​bié kāi​xīn de dōng​xi, hái​shi tǐng yǒu yì​yì de.
Like you said, when you graduate from college or when it has special meaning, it is quite meaningful to buy something that makes you feel particularly happy.

KouKou: 对，我觉得让自己开心可能比什么都重要。
KouKou: duì, wǒ jué​de ràng zì​jǐ kāi​xīn kě​néng bǐ shén​me dōu zhòng​yào.
KouKou: Yes, I think making myself happy is probably more important than anything else.

Xinqing: 我一开始人生拥有的最比较贵的奢侈品，像项链，或者当时我的第一台苹果电脑，我觉得都是那个时候苹果电脑还是比较贵的，但是项链是我当时的男朋友送的，所以我自己都不舍得买奢侈品，一般都是人家送礼物的时候会送比较贵的项链首饰什么的。
Xinqing: wǒ yì kāi​shǐ rén​shēng yōng​yǒu de zuì bǐ​jiào guì de shē​chǐ​pǐn, xiàng xiàng​liàn, huò​zhě dāng​shí wǒ de dì​yī tái Píng​guǒ​diàn​nǎo, wǒ jué​de dōu shì nà​ge shí​hou Píng​guǒ​diàn​nǎo hái​shi bǐ​jiào guì de, dàn​shì xiàng​liàn shì wǒ dāng​shí de nán​péng​you sòng de, suǒ​yǐ wǒ zì​jǐ dōu bù shě​de mǎi shē​chǐ​pǐn, yī​bān dōu shì rén​jiā sòng​lǐ wù de shí​hou huì sòng bǐ​jiào guì de xiàng​liàn shǒu​shì shén​me de.
Xinqing: The most expensive luxury goods I owned at the beginning of my life were necklaces or my first Apple computer. I think Apple computers were still relatively expensive at that time, but the necklace was a gift from my boyfriend at the time. Yes, so I am not willing to buy luxury goods myself. Usually when people give gifts, they give more expensive necklaces and jewelry.

KouKou: 对，说到我还想到其实有时候我会挺害怕我的好朋友送我比较贵的东西，其实我是会有点负担，因为我会有这种像中国有礼尚往来的传统，然后到对方过生日或者是过年过节会想要送什么礼来回呢？
KouKou: duì, shuō dào wǒ hái xiǎng​dào qí​shí yǒu​shí​hou wǒ huì tǐng hài​pà wǒ de hǎo péng​you sòng wǒ bǐ​jiào guì de dōng​xi, qí​shí wǒ shì huì yǒu​diǎn fù​dān, yīn​wèi wǒ huì yǒu zhè​zhǒng xiàng Zhōng​guó yǒu lǐ​shàng​wǎng​lái de chuán​tǒng, rán​hòu dào duì​fāng guò shēng​rì huò​zhě shì guò​nián guò​jié huì xiǎng​yào sòng shén​me lǐ lái​huí ne?
KouKou: Yes, when it comes to talking about it, I also thought that sometimes I am afraid that my good friends will give me expensive things. In fact, I will feel a little burdened because I have this tradition of reciprocity like China, and then to the other party What kind of gift would you like to give for a birthday or Chinese New Year?

然后就会比较不适应这种。
rán​hòu jiù huì bǐ​jiào bú shì​yìng zhè​zhǒng.
Then you will be less accustomed to this.

对，所以最好我觉得我们可以约定说我们一起去吃个饭，或者是我想要你帮我买，然后以这种方式是我更舒服的。
duì, suǒ​yǐ zuì​hǎo wǒ jué​de wǒ​men kě​yǐ yuē​dìng shuō wǒ​men yī​qǐ qù chī gè fàn, huò​zhě shì wǒ xiǎng​yào nǐ bāng wǒ mǎi, rán​hòu yǐ zhè​zhǒng fāng​shì shì wǒ gèng shū​fu de.
Yes, so I think it would be best if we could make an agreement that we go out to have a meal together, or I want you to buy it for me, and then I would be more comfortable in this way.

Xinqing: 所以你会有朋友送你很贵的东西，奢侈品类的东西吗？
Xinqing: suǒ​yǐ nǐ huì yǒu péng​you sòng nǐ hěn guì de dōng​xi, shē​chǐ​pǐn lèi de dōng​xi ma?
Xinqing: So do you have friends who give you expensive things, luxury things?

我觉得我从来没有就是普通朋友送过我奢侈品。
wǒ jué​de wǒ cóng​lái méi​yǒu jiù​shì pǔ​tōng péng​you sòng guò wǒ shē​chǐ​pǐn.
I feel like I have never had luxury items given to me by just ordinary friends.

KouKou: 那倒没有，但是刚好讲到就是说，有朋友送你奢侈品就比较奢侈的项链什么的。
KouKou: nà dào méi​yǒu, dàn​shì gāng​hǎo jiǎng dào jiù​shì​shuō, yǒu péng​you sòng nǐ shē​chǐ​pǐn jiù bǐ​jiào shē​chǐ de xiàng​liàn shén​me de.
KouKou: Not really, but as I mentioned, if a friend gives you a luxury item, it would be a more luxurious necklace or something.

Xinqing: 一般都是男朋友，但是就是前男友送很贵的东西，然后你分手了以后你也不会还给他，所以收下来继续用。
Xinqing: yī​bān dōu shì nán​péng​you, dàn​shì jiù​shì qián nán​yǒu sòng hěn guì de dōng​xi, rán​hòu nǐ fēn​shǒu le yǐ​hòu nǐ yě bù​huì huán​gěi tā, suǒ​yǐ shōu​xià lái jì​xù yòng.
Xinqing: Usually it’s boyfriends, but even if your ex-boyfriend gives you something expensive, you won’t return it to him after you break up, so you keep it and continue to use it.

KouKou: 其实东西我觉得最重要的现在越来越看重它实不实用，或者说自己喜不喜欢。
KouKou: qí​shí dōng​xi wǒ jué​de zuì zhòng​yào de xiàn​zài yuè​lái​yuè kàn​zhòng tā shí bù shí​yòng, huò​zhě shuō zì​jǐ xǐ bù xǐ​huan.
KouKou: Actually, I think the most important thing about something now is whether it is practical or not, or whether I like it or not.

Xinqing: 对，我到现在也没有，说实话没有特别贵的项链，除了那一条前男友送的以外，就没有什么奢侈品了。
Xinqing: duì, wǒ dào xiàn​zài yě méi​yǒu, shuō​shí​huà méi​yǒu tè​bié guì de xiàng​liàn, chú​le nà yì tiáo qián nán​yǒu sòng de yǐ​wài, jiù méi​yǒu shén​me shē​chǐ​pǐn le.
Xinqing: Yes, I still don’t have one. To be honest, I don’t have a particularly expensive necklace. Except for the one given by my ex-boyfriend, there are no luxury goods.

但我有的时候也会想说，你知道日内瓦就像你刚才说的，日内瓦有好多的奢侈品店，然后昨天我去外面逛街，看看到一些家具的店，还有手表，首饰。
dàn wǒ yǒu de shí​hou yě huì xiǎng shuō, nǐ zhī​dào Rì​nèi​wǎ jiù xiàng nǐ gāng​cái shuō de, Rì​nèi​wǎ yǒu hǎo​duō de shē​chǐ​pǐn diàn, rán​hòu zuó​tiān wǒ qù wài​miàn guàng​jiē, kàn​kan dào yī​xiē jiā​jù de diàn, hái​yǒu shǒu​biǎo, shǒu​shì.
But sometimes I also want to say, you know Geneva, as you just said, there are many luxury stores in Geneva, and yesterday I went shopping and saw some furniture stores, as well as watches and jewelry.

我就想说我都觉得我也算工作了这么多年，有一些积蓄了，我还是没有勇气去步入那些就走进日内瓦的奢侈品店，我感觉我走进去就会被店员看穿。
wǒ jiù xiǎng shuō wǒ dōu jué​de wǒ yě suàn gōng​zuò le zhè​me duō nián, yǒu yī​xiē jī​xù le, wǒ hái​shi méi​yǒu yǒng​qì qù bù​rù nà​xiē jiù zǒu​jìn Rì​nèi​wǎ de shē​chǐ​pǐn diàn, wǒ gǎn​jué wǒ zǒu​jìn qù jiù huì bèi diàn​yuán kàn​chuān.
I just want to say that I feel like I have worked for so many years and have some savings, but I still don’t have the courage to walk into those luxury stores in Geneva. I feel like I will be seen through by the clerk when I walk in.

KouKou: 我并不会。
KouKou: wǒ bìng bù​huì.
KouKou: I don’t know how.

其实我想分享我的体验，就是我去日内瓦的奢侈品店有一个tour，就我跟我的朋友我们两个一起去钟表店去试戴，然后他比较豪气，我跟着他就也很有底气，然后他们店里面的人对我们态度也非常好，还会给我们发巧克力吃是的，然后感兴趣的手表也会帮我们试戴，然后如果真的想要的话也可以去预定。
qí​shí wǒ xiǎng fēn​xiǎng wǒ de tǐ​yàn, jiù​shì wǒ qù Rì​nèi​wǎ de shē​chǐ​pǐn diàn yǒu yí gè tour, jiù wǒ gēn wǒ de péng​you wǒ​men liǎng gè yī​qǐ qù zhōng​biǎo diàn qù shì dài, rán​hòu tā bǐ​jiào háo​qì, wǒ gēn​zhe tā jiù yě hěn yǒu dǐ​qì, rán​hòu tā​men diàn lǐ​miàn de rén duì wǒ​men tài​du yě fēi​cháng hǎo, hái huì gěi wǒ​men fā qiǎo​kè​lì chī shì de, rán​hòu gǎn​xìng​qù de shǒu​biǎo yě huì bāng wǒ​men shì dài, rán​hòu rú​guǒ zhēn de xiǎng​yào de​huà yě kě​yǐ qù yù​dìng.
In fact, I want to share my experience. I went on a tour to a luxury store in Geneva. My friend and I went to the watch store to try them on. He was quite bold, and I felt confident following him. , and the people in their store are also very nice to us, and will give us chocolates to eat, and they will also help us try on watches that we are interested in, and if we really want them, we can also make a reservation.

Xinqing: 有些手表有买吗？
Xinqing: yǒu​xiē shǒu​biǎo yǒu mǎi ma?
Xinqing: Have you bought any watches?

KouKou: 我的朋友他真的订了一块劳力士，他帮他哥哥订的，对，然后我觉得这也不是说天价手表有一些还是可以买得起的。
KouKou: wǒ de péng​you tā zhēn de dìng le yī​kuài Láo​lì​shì, tā bāng tā gē​ge dìng de, duì, rán​hòu wǒ jué​de zhè yě bù​shì shuō tiān​jià shǒu​biǎo yǒu yī​xiē hái​shi kě​yǐ mǎi de qǐ de.
KouKou: My friend actually ordered a Rolex. He ordered it for his brother, yes, but I don’t think this means that some sky-high-priced watches are still affordable.

而且我觉得去欣赏一下也很有意思。
ér​qiě wǒ jué​de qù xīn​shǎng yī​xià yě hěn yǒu​yì​si.
And I think it’s interesting to go and appreciate it.

Xinqing: 我觉得如果你是抱着你确实会买一块手表的心态去，那个店里面确实比较有底气，像如果我走进去，我知道我不会买，但是我就是想试试看，我想带看，就特别没有底气会被看穿。
Xinqing: wǒ jué​de rú​guǒ nǐ shì bào zhe nǐ què​shí huì mǎi yī​kuài shǒu​biǎo de xīn​tài qù, nà​ge diàn lǐ​miàn què​shí bǐ​jiào yǒu dǐ​qì, xiàng rú​guǒ wǒ zǒu​jìn qù, wǒ zhī​dào wǒ bù​huì mǎi, dàn​shì wǒ jiù​shì xiǎng shì​shì​kàn, wǒ xiǎng dài kàn, jiù tè​bié méi​yǒu dǐ​qì huì bèi kàn​chuān.
Xinqing: I think if you go there with the mentality that you will really buy a watch, that store will be more confident. For example, if I walk in, I know I won’t buy it, but I just want to try it and I want to wear it. See, I don’t have the confidence to be seen through.

然后有一次是回国，今年回国之前，我想给我爸爸买一块手表，然后我当时的心理价位是3000美金到4000美金之间，但这个其实在日内瓦的手表店里面算是最低档次的，可能因为一般劳力士都会到11万1万美金左右，然后我就走了好几家店，我进去了以后，我就直接问他们说你们这里有没有3000美金4000美金左右的手表，然后就被赶出来了，也没有被赶出来，店员就会说非常礼貌的说，我们这里最低的是1万或者2万美金的，我建议你去哪家店看一下，然后就被送走了。
rán​hòu yǒu yī​cì shì huí​guó, jīn​nián huí​guó zhī​qián, wǒ xiǎng gěi wǒ bà​ba mǎi yī​kuài shǒu​biǎo, rán​hòu wǒ dāng​shí de xīn​lǐ jià​wèi shì 3000 Měi​jīn dào 4000 Měi​jīn zhī​jiān, dàn zhè​ge qí​shí zài Rì​nèi​wǎ de shǒu​biǎo diàn lǐ​miàn suàn​shì zuì dī dàng​cì de, kě​néng yīn​wèi yī​bān Láo​lì​shì dōu huì dào 11 wàn 1 wàn Měi​jīn zuǒ​yòu, rán​hòu wǒ jiù zǒu le hǎo​jǐ jiā diàn, wǒ jìn​qù le yǐ​hòu, wǒ jiù zhí​jiē wèn tā​men shuō nǐ​men zhè​lǐ yǒu​méi​yǒu 3000 Měi​jīn 4000 Měi​jīn zuǒ​yòu de shǒu​biǎo, rán​hòu jiù bèi gǎn​chū lái le, yě méi​yǒu bèi gǎn​chū lái, diàn​yuán jiù huì shuō fēi​cháng lǐ​mào de shuō, wǒ​men zhè​lǐ zuì dī de shì 1 wàn huò​zhě 2 wàn Měi​jīn de, wǒ jiàn​yì nǐ qù nǎ jiā diàn kàn yī​xià, rán​hòu jiù bèi sòng​zǒu le.
Then one time I went back to China. Before returning to China this year, I wanted to buy a watch for my father. My mental price range at that time was between US$3,000 and US$4,000, but this is actually the lowest grade among watch shops in Geneva. Maybe because Generally, Rolexes cost about 111,000 US dollars. Then I went to several stores. After I entered, I asked them directly if they had watches worth about 3,000 US dollars or 4,000 US dollars. Then I was kicked out. They were not kicked out. The clerk would say very politely, the lowest price here is 10,000 or 20,000 US dollars. I suggest you go to a store to check it out, and then he was sent away.

KouKou: 对，但是我觉得有时候你不去看见，你就没有欲望，如果你没有看到一个非常想要的东西，你也不会考虑要筹钱去买它。
KouKou: duì, dàn​shì wǒ jué​de yǒu​shí​hou nǐ bú qù kàn​jiàn, nǐ jiù méi​yǒu yù​wàng, rú​guǒ nǐ méi​yǒu kàn dào yí gè fēi​cháng xiǎng​yào de dōng​xi, nǐ yě bù​huì kǎo​lǜ yào chóu qián qù mǎi tā.
KouKou: Yes, but I think sometimes if you don’t see it, you won’t have the desire. If you don’t see something you really want, you won’t think about raising money to buy it.

像那一次我去奢侈品店逛的时候，我去劳力士，然后店员他给我介绍他自己带的一款白贝母的一块手表，表盘也比较小，也比较精致。
xiàng nà yī​cì wǒ qù shē​chǐ​pǐn diàn guàng de shí​hou, wǒ qù Láo​lì​shì, rán​hòu diàn​yuán tā gěi wǒ jiè​shào tā zì​jǐ dài de yì kuǎn bái bèi​mǔ de yī​kuài shǒu​biǎo, biǎo​pán yě bǐ​jiào xiǎo, yě bǐ​jiào jīng​zhì.
For example, when I went to a luxury store, I went to Rolex, and the clerk introduced me to a white mother-of-pearl watch he brought with him. The dial was smaller and more delicate.

他说那个表他已经戴了几十年了，所以他也非常建议我说如果你投资的话，要考虑好自己是不是真的想要戴这块表戴很久，然后他也说这是值得投资的一笔钱，但是我觉得确实是因人而异，但我的体验是他们还挺友好的，然后对尤其是中国人，他也会假装有一个预设，可能你会比较有钱。
tā shuō nà​ge biǎo tā yǐ​jīng dài le jǐ shí nián le, suǒ​yǐ tā yě fēi​cháng jiàn​yì wǒ shuō rú​guǒ nǐ tóu​zī de​huà, yào kǎo​lǜ hǎo zì​jǐ shì​bù​shì zhēn de xiǎng​yào dài zhè kuài biǎo dài hěn jiǔ, rán​hòu tā yě shuō zhè shì zhí​de tóu​zī de yì bǐ qián, dàn​shì wǒ jué​de què​shí shì yīn​rén​’ér​yì, dàn wǒ de tǐ​yàn shì tā​men hái tǐng Yǒu​hǎo de, rán​hòu duì yóu​qí shì Zhōng​guó rén, tā yě huì jiǎ​zhuāng yǒu yí gè yù​shè, kě​néng nǐ huì bǐ​jiào yǒu​qián.
He said that he has been wearing that watch for decades, so he also strongly advised me that if you invest, you should consider whether you really want to wear this watch for a long time, and he also said that it is worth investing in. A sum of money, but I think it does vary from person to person, but my experience is that they are quite friendly, and especially the Chinese, they will also pretend to have a preset, maybe you will be richer.

Xinqing: 有可能看到中国人会觉得买得起。
Xinqing: yǒu kě​néng kàn dào Zhōng​guó rén huì jué​de mǎi de qǐ.
Xinqing: It’s possible that Chinese people will find it affordable if they see it.

对，好，谢谢Coco。
duì, hǎo, xiè​xie Coco.
Yes, okay, thank you Coco.

今天我们就聊到这，下次我们可以继续聊，我觉得这个话题还是蛮有意思的，对，很有意思。
jīn​tiān wǒ​men jiù liáo dào zhè, xià​cì wǒ​men kě​yǐ jì​xù liáo, wǒ jué​de zhè​ge huà​tí hái​shi mán yǒu​yì​si de, duì, hěn yǒu​yì​si.
That’s all we talked about today. We can continue talking next time. I think this topic is quite interesting. Yes, it’s very interesting.

KouKou: 有很多可以聊的，谢谢今天。
KouKou: yǒu hěn duō kě​yǐ liáo de, xiè​xie jīn​tiān.
KouKou: There is a lot to talk about, thank you for today.

Xinqing: 好的，拜拜。
Xinqing: hǎo de, bái​bái.
Xinqing: Okay, bye.

Xinqing: Okay, bye.